BetterGEDCOM Developers Meeting
6 June 2011
AGENDA
ITEM: Backup (Geir) - What is happening, we need a solution - are we wasting our time on a wiki that will not be available in a year or two?
ITEM: Impact of AncestorSync on the industry.
Myrt:
- Sync from Geni and Familogy to desktop genealogy software.
- Sync from desktop to Geni familogy.
- Autosync – Legacy will auto update RootsMagic Geni or Familogy
- End user to end user.
About $20 annually.
Handles GEDCOM, PAF, Ancestral Quest, Legacy Family Tree, TMG, RootsMagic
Translate is a misnomer… it is copy of data.
GeneJ
- Needing to sync is important.
- Issues with wiki-pedia type genealogy concept.
- Not trying to replace GEDCOM.
- Need standards for methodology and it is unclear that AncestorSync can play that role.
Geir
- Storage of genealogy data requires readability and availability over time
- Where is the file format that can be read 20 years later?
ITEM: Rules and Guidelines Page – no update.
ITEM: Reports from moderators
GeneJ:
- 3 weeks ago fairly close to defining E & C in a BetterGEDCOM world.
- Current thread Tom challenges current practices about source citations as reference notes.
Geir:
- Louis and Adrian wrote about connecting to evidence “conclusion persons” where you have codify information from a document and then put a link between those two datasets.
- Data set 1 – church records or census records transcribed but not linked to the persons
- What we wanted to say is that if there is a person into a data set, you need a pointer to the data that originally created the conclusion about a person.
- Use the citation as the link between the person and the data.
Myrt:
- Every scholarly endeavor follows the “scientific method”.
ITEM: Footnotes are not citations
FUTURE: Change chat status, as logs aren’t necessary.
Comments
I found points in Geir's model to be confusing and against my intuition. I believe Geir's definition of Source Lookup is really the conventional Source Citation, and his Citation is really the general purpose Research Note or Proto Footnote. Trying to understand Geir's record types and then stating that his Citations are not Source Citations is not a refutation of the Source Citation concept.
(It is true that my current DeadEnds model does not have an explicit Source Citation record. But as I have explained the DeadEnds model does have the SourceReference structure that can be used in any kind of evidence-based record. The SourceReference structure points to a Source and contains within itself all the source citation fields; that is, the DeadEnds SourceReference contains the Source Citation data; DeadEnds has always had a Source Citation.)
In trying to discuss my concerns with a few of Geir's points, I have outlined the kinds of records needed for a genealogical system to handle the Evidence, Conclusion, and Biography Worlds. In that outline I have tried to show how the conventional notion of a Source Citation fits in with analogous concepts of Conclusion and general Footnote. It is my contention that Geir's model is mixing together and confusing concepts from these three different worlds.
I am sorry that my comments have been so poorly written as to engender such a misunderstanding about citations.
Tom
That is a fair statement. Thank you.
As I did say, if Better GEDCOM decides that we want the term Citation to mean anything that could appear in a footnote, I can go along with it. But it will be confusing to some.